Messyshaw Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 LONDON’S BURNING 6 x 4 pump fires 4 x 6s 4 x 10s 2 x 12s 2 x 15s 1 x 20 1 x 30 (2 x Major Incidents) Even with mutual aid, some calls were not fully resourced. For example, the LFB only mustered 4 pumps to a 10PF DETAILS 00:57 (19/7) F39 HORNCHURCH FIFTEEN PUMP PERSONS REPORTED FIRE, AERIAL REQUIRED STOP TIME: 07:46 NUMBER OF CALLS: 16 DRAPER COURT, MAVIS GROVE, HORNCHURCH An assisted living block of three floors, sixty metres by sixty metres. A range of three roomed flats on the second floor – two flats one hundred percent damaged by fire, three further flats fifteen percent damaged by fire - thirty percent of roof damaged by fire. Five police officers and one elderly male suffering smoke inhalation, one elderly female suffering back injury removed by London Ambulance Service. Fifty one residents evacuated by police, Two jets, two hose reels, aerial monitor, breathing apparatus, stage two entry control, gas detection monitor, thermal imaging camera, mobile data terminal, drone, level two salvage. All persons accounted for. 08:34 A24 SOHO FOUR PUMP FIRE STOP TIME: 10:52 NUMBER OF CALLS: 2 OXFORD CIRCUS STATION, OXFORD STREET, W1 Smoke issuing from northbound Victoria line escalator caused by overheating main brake pads. No more elevated readings identified by breathing apparatus crews. No fire apparent. Crews stood by monitoring decreasing temperature to ambient conditions of affected equipment. Breathing apparatus, thermal imaging camera, mobile data terminal for hydrant location. 09:22 A36 SOUTHGATE TEN PUMP PERSONS REPORTED FIRE RESCUE UNIT AND 2 X 32M TURNTABLE LADDER STOP TIME: 20:06 NUMBER OF CALLS: 19 GREEN LANES, N13 A mid terrace restaurant of one floor, eleven metres by twenty-two metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. One adult female aged forty three years, conscious and breathing, suffering shock, left premises before arrival of Brigade, treated and removed. Two members of Brigade suffering effects of heat, one treated on scene and one removed. Twenty breathing apparatus, thirty-two metre turntable ladder as water tower, four jets, two hose reels, thermal imaging camera, gas detection monitor, respirators, water relay, stage two entry control. All persons accounted for 09:34 F30 LEYTONSTONE FOUR PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME: 12:13 NUMBER OF CALLS: 19 GREEN MAN ROUNDABOUT, E11 A grassland park of one hundred metres by three hundred metres damaged by fire. Two jets, two hose reels, thermal imaging camera and mobile data terminal 11:23 F39 HORNCHURCH THIRTY PUMP GRASS FIRE, PERSONS REPORTED,CYLINDERS REPORTED, FRU X 1, HOSELAYER X 1, HVP X 1 STOP TIME: 17:44 NUMBER OF CALLS: 99 PEA LANE, UPMINSTER Fifteen hectares of standing crops damaged by fire. Two hundred members of the public evacuated from caravan site by Metropolitan Police Service. Sixty mixed sized LPG cylinders involved, removed to safe area. Four jets, four hose reels, mobile data terminal, thermal imaging camera, drone team, National Police Air Service, Essex FRS water bowser. 11:30 A40 HENDON SIX PUMP GRASS FIRE, HOSELAYER REQUIRED STOP TIME: 14:54 NUMBER OF CALLS: 45 SUNNY HILL PARK, SUNNINGFIELDS CRESCENT, NW4 Two areas of parkland - sector north approximately three hectares of grass, shrubbery and trees one hundred percent damaged by fire - sector south, approximately one hectare of grass, shrubbery and trees one hundred percent damaged by fire. Four jets, two hose reels, thermal imaging camera, gas detection monitor, respirators and mobile data terminal. 12:07 H28 WOODSIDE EIGHT PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME: 15:47 NUMBER OF CALLS: 11 OAKS ROAD, CROYDON One hectare of woodland damaged by fire. One ground monitor, one 70mm jet, two 45mm jets, two hose reels, water back packs, beaters, half masks and gas detection monitors. 12:59 G21 HARROW TWELVE PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME:15:14 NUMBER OF CALLS: 18 THE AVENUE, PINNER A range of gardens and railway land at rear of several properties on The Avenue, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Three jets, two hose reels and mobile data terminal. 13:06 F40 WENNINGTON FIFTEEN PUMP PERSONS REPORTED FIRE, HIGH VOLUME PUMP REQUIRED. MAJOR INCIDENT ISTOP TIME: 01:48 NUMBER OF CALLS: 19 THE GREEN, WENNINGTON An area of forty hectares, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Two detached houses, five metres by eight metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Two semi-detached houses, five metres by eight metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Four terraced houses in Kent View, five metres by eight metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Two outbuildings, four metres by three metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Six single storey garages at rear of houses in Kent View, forty metres by five metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Five terraced houses in Marine Cottages, five metres by eight metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. A further three terraced houses in Marine Cottages, seventy five percent damaged by fire. Detached manor house, ten metres by eight metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Twelve stables and five cars one hundred percent damaged by fire. Eighty eight properties evacuated. Forty five members of the public self evacuated and in care of Metropolitan Police and Local Authority in a refuge area. One firefighter , seven members of the public and one police officer treated on scene by London Ambulance Service due to heat exhaustion. Gas and electric supplies isolated to affected properties. Six jets, two hose reels, two ground monitors, high volume pump, drone team, major lighting unit. All persons not yet accounted for 13:48 F41 DAGENHAM TEN PUMP FIRE STOP TIME: NUMBER OF CALLS: 16 BEAM VALLEY COUNTRY PARK, OVAL ROAD NORTH, DAGENHAM Linked incident to 110945 – stop details as 15 pump fire & major incident 14:09 G30 WEMBLEY TWELVE PUMP FIRE, CYLINDERS REPORTED STOP TIME: 20:56 NUMBER OF CALLS: 43 THE BROADWAY, WEMBLEY A range of shops and dwellings of one and three floors and outbuildings, forty metres by ten metres. One shop fifty percent damaged by fire. Adjacent shop eighty percent damaged by fire. One hundred percent of outbuildings damaged by fire. One motor vehicle one hundred percent damaged by fire. Two further motor vehicles twenty five percent damaged by fire. One member of Brigade with injury to knee, one with injury to lower back and two suffering effects of heat exhaustion, all treated on scene by London Ambulance Service. Fifty members of public evacuated from shops and dwelling before arrival of Brigade by Metropolitan Police. Twenty three members of public displaced from properties affected by fire. Duty left with local authority. Eight jets, four hose reels, stage 2 breathing apparatus, thermal imaging camera, mobile data terminal. Seventeen cylinders involved, cooled and removed. 14:15 F41 DAGENHAM FIFTEEN PUMP FIRE, CYLINDERS REPORTED. MAJOR INCIDENT STOP TIME: 22:40 NUMBER OF CALLS: 79 BALLARDS ROAD, DAGENHAM A range of semi detached houses of two floors in Stratford Close, thirty two metres by five metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. A semi-detached house of two floors in Boleyn Gardens, five metres by eight metres, fifty percent of external fascia damaged by fire. A semi-detached house of two floors in Beech Gardens, five metres by eight metres, thirty percent of external fascia damaged by fire. A range of semi-detached houses of two floors in Farm Close, fifty metres by eight metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. A further semi-detached house of two floors in Farm Close, five metres by eight metres, twenty five percent of fascia damaged by fire. Parkland measuring eight hectares, forty percent damaged by fire. Twenty five motor vehicles one hundred percent damaged by fire. One male and one female both aged eighty-nine years, conscious and breathing, suffering effects of smoke inhalation treated and removed by London Ambulance Service. Two Metropolitan Police officers and six Brigade personnel treated on scene by London Ambulance Service suffering effects of heat exhaustion. One firefighter, conscious and breathing, removed by London Ambulance Service suffering heat exhaustion. One hundred and thirty five members of the public evacuated to a local rest area. Two 6kg acetylene cylinders cooled to ambient temperature. Three ground monitors, four hose reels, two turntable ladders as water towers, breathing apparatus, stage two entry control, thermal imaging camera, water relay, cylinder procedure implemented. 14:24 E30 ELTHAM SIX PUMP FIRE STOP TIME: 15:54 NUMBER OF CALLS: 5 SIDCUP ROAD, ELTHAM Shop and dwellings of three floors, fifteen metres by twenty five metres. Fifty percent of ground floor damaged by fire. Three jets, two hose reels, breathing apparatus, mobile data terminal and thermal imaging camera. 14:39 G23 HILLINGDON TEN PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME:06:00 NUMBER OF CALLS: 36 WESTERN AVENUE, UXBRIDGE An area of farmland of approximately seven hectares damaged by fire. Isolated pockets and fallen trees remain alight. One firefighter suffering heat exhaustion, treated on scene by London Ambulance Service. Three jets, two hose reels, two Royal Air Force water bowsers, one Berkshire Fire Service 4x4, water backpacks, thermal imaging camera, water shuttle, mobile data terminal for mapping, cutting gear. 15:29 A34 EDMONTON EIGHT PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME: 18:55 NUMBER OF CALLS: 48 MONTAGU RECREATION GROUND, MONTAGU ROAD, N9 A park of approximately four hectares, thirty percent of grassland damaged by fire. One jet, two hose reels, thermal imaging camera, mobile data terminal for hydrant location 16:17 G21 HARROW TEN PUMP PERSONS REPORTED FIRE, AERIAL REQUIRED STOP TIME: 21:42 NUMBER OF CALLS: 106 CHURCHILL HALL, HAWTHORNE AVENUE, HARROW A disused church hall and car wash of three, one and two floors, fifty metres by fifteen metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Two semi-detached houses of two floors, thirty metres by ten metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Two further houses five percent damaged by fire. One house in Kenton Road five percent damaged by fire. Nine motor vehicles one hundred percent damaged by fire. One 25kg propane cylinder cooled and removed. One adult male approximately twenty-five years of age, removed suffering twenty percent burns. Eight firefighters treated on scene for heat exhaustion. One further firefighter treated and removed suffering heat exhaustion. One ground monitor, four jets, four hose reels, turntable ladder for water tower, breathing apparatus, stage two entry control, thermal imaging camera, gas detection monitor, half masks. All persons accounted for 16:25 F35 WOODFORD SIX PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME: 21:57 NUMBER OF CALLS: 48 CLAYBURY PARK, RODING LANE NORTH, WOODFORD GREEN An area of eight acres of park, woods and scrubland, approximately two acres in various locations damaged by fire. Four jets, water back packs. 17:20 F36 WALTHAMSTOW SIX PUMP PERSONS REPORTED FIRE. STOP TIME: 19:53 NUMBER OF CALLS: 23 GRANGE ROAD, E17 Flats of three and four floors, thirty metres by fifteen metres. A five roomed flat on the first floor one hundred percent of flat and external balcony damaged by fire. A five roomed flat on the second floor one hundred percent of flat and balcony damaged by fire. A five roomed flat on the third floor ten percent of flat and external fascia damaged by fire. One adult male rescued from a first floor flat by short extension ladder, declined treatment. One male child self presented suffering smoke inhalation, removed for precautionary check. Forty residents evacuated and in care of local authority and Metropolitan Police. Fire survival call downgraded before arrival of Brigade, Two jets, two hose reels, eight breathing apparatus, thermal imaging camera. All persons accounted for. 17:41 F39 HORNCHURCH FOUR PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME:19:14 NUMBER OF CALLS: 9 SUTTONS LANE, HORNCHURCH Two separate areas of grassland each measuring one hectare, one hundred percent damaged by fire. Four hose reels, water backpacks, beaters, water shuttle by Essex appliance. 18:33 E27 ERITH TWENTY PUMP PERSONS REPORTED FIRE, HOSE LAYER REQUIRED STOP TIME: 02:53 NUMBER OF CALLS: 22 RAY LAMB WAY, ERITH Approximately five hectares of grassland and bushes damaged by fire. Two commercial warehouses twenty five metres by thirty metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire. One commercial warehouse forty metres by twenty metres, thirty percent damaged by fire. Fifteen people rescued by Brigade crews using fire escape hoods. A further thirteen people led to safety by Brigade crews, left in care of Metropolitan Police. One ground monitor, four jets, two hose reels, water relay, AFFF foam, stage two breathing apparatus, extended duration breathing apparatus, fire escape hoods, drone. All persons accounted for. 19:23 H43 TWICKENHAM FOUR PUMP GRASS FIRE STOP TIME: 21:46 NUMBER OF CALLS: 64 STAINES ROAD, TWICKENHAM Approximately two hectares of trees and undergrowth damaged by fire. Four high pressure hose reels, one forty-five millimetre jet, mobile data terminal, thermal imaging camera. 19:33 G22 STANMORE EIGHT PUMP FIRE, CYLINDERS INVOLVED STOP TIME: 21:59 NUMBER OF CALLS: 25 BURGESS AVENUE, NW9 A row of five semi-detached houses. Property one - an outbuilding two metres by two metres, one hundred percent damaged by fire, six fence panels damaged by fire. Property two – trees, shrubbery and fence panels damaged by fire. Property three – one outbuilding eighty percent damaged by fire. Property four – one outbuilding two metres by three metres one hundred percent damaged by fire, six fence panels damaged by fire. Property five – trees and shrubbery damaged by fire. One 15 kg propane cylinder removed, cooled to ambient temperature. A range of industrial properties to the rear, fifty metres by twenty metres, thirty percent of external sandwich panels damaged by fire. Four jets, two hose reels, eight breathing apparatus wearers from London Fire Brigade and four breathing apparatus wearers from Hertfordshire Fire Service, thermal imaging camera, gas detection monitor. 20:57 F41 DAGENHAM EIGHT PUMP FIRE STOP TIME: 00:27 NUMBER OF CALLS: 50 BEAM VALLEY COUNTRY PARK, OVAL ROAD NORTH, DAGENHAM Approximately three hectares of grass and shrubs damaged by fire. Two jets, one hose reel, beaters, water backpacks, one off road vehicle from Essex Fire and Rescue Service. 21:03 F42 ILFORD SIX PUMP FIRE, AERIAL REQUIRED. LEVEL 2 HAZMAT STOP TIME: 23:12 NUMBER OF CALLS: 9 FAUNA CLOSE, CHADWELL HEATH A semi-detached house of two floors, five metres by eight metres. One hundred percent of first floor damaged by fire, one hundred percent of roof damaged by fire. Three jets, two hose reels, four breathing apparatus, turntable ladder for water tower, thermal imaging camera, mobile data terminal for hydrant location, level two HazMat. 02:06 A24 SOHO FOUR PUMP FIRE STOP TIME: 04:08 NUMBER OF CALLS: 3 CHARLOTTE STREET, W1 A mid terrace restaurant and offices of four floors, six metres by twelve metres. Twenty five percent of fourth floor damaged by fire. Twenty five percent of roof damaged by fire. Steady progress being made damping down. Methodical search conducted by crews. Two jets, one hose reel, eight breathing apparatus, turntable ladder, thermal imaging camera, respirators, gas detection monitor, mobile data terminal for hydrant location. Link to comment
Luminoki Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Could it be that maybe some services that dont have wildfire tac ads should start looking at them? Link to comment
Rory-495 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 We had a CBT training package last year maybe? But it was not great and I won't lie most people didn't take much notice of it. The only thing I remember is the acronym LACES. Wouldn't know what it means but could Google it quickly if needed. I think a tactical advisor would be useful in a way but I'm not sure what extra ability they would have unless the went and trained with a better suited/experiences FRS to get real life application of skills. Otherwise LFB end up another attribute given to SCs with no real experience of the skill, e.g. tactical advisor bulk media - when they have never used a hose layer or HVP Link to comment
Luminoki Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Thats where the investment is needed, i know Lancs do alot with wildfire training. It is something that would go hand in hand with drone training, a feature alot of services have got behind. How often they would be used is anyones guess, but the fact that more services are being stripped during big job and are getting reliant on mutual aid surely proves that services like LFB and West Mids could bring something to the party if theyre not needed at home Link to comment
Aspire Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 We have just 3 wildfire tac ads in LFB. Link to comment
Healdav Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 I saw a brief story yesterday that LFB had a 'reserve' on Tuesday of just 3 appliances. No mention of how many crews, if any. Link to comment
Rory-495 Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 They actually had a reserve of... checks notes.... Zero Link to comment
BurtMacklin Posted July 22, 2022 Share Posted July 22, 2022 brigade sent the same crews who had been at wennington for 15 hours the previous day back the following day regardless of geographic location to incident Link to comment
TandA Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 20/07/2022 at 10:40, Aspire said: I couldn’t believe it when I heard Southend mobile to the 30 in Upminster that I attended. Judging by the radio, sounds like Ongar had a good time in London, being sent to Standby at Dagenham but not reaching there as they picked up 3 incidents back to back. Ongar went on a big city tour to standby at multiple LFB stations I think - Woodford and Ilford were also mentioned. And Harlow mobilised (from home station ground) to small fire in Ilford as nearest available appliance on the Wednesday morning. If I I heard the radio correctly, they stated a likely 26 minute attendance which would be good going on blues, even with the M11 in play. Link to comment
Trevatanus Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Just read that Hankley Common near Godalming has been declared a major incident Link to comment
Becile Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Yep, but down graded now, I was working some 20 miles away and could see it. Link to comment
WTTJ Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Any other services send pumps to the affected areas? We (Avon) sent one pump to Norfolk for two days. Not sure how effective they were or whether it was just a PR thing. Link to comment
Rory-495 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I know a mate was asked to go to Norfolk from West mids, but again feels more like a PR thing or contingency Link to comment
C_Iain Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Tyne and Wear sent 2 crews down to Norfolk according to their social media Link to comment
Matt Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Avon, Merseyside, Shropshire, Tyne & Wear, Warwickshire & West Midlands all sent appliances down to Norfolk. Apparently the T&W went down on the bell and were down there for 2 days. Link to comment
Healdav Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 The French may possibly have an idea for the future. At the beginning of July and through to the end of August, the fire services in the cities move a lot of their resources - machines and men, down to vulnerable places for wild fires such as the South of France and the Gironde, etc. And the families go as well. In these places they have campsites, and the families get on with a holiday while the firefighters take it in turns to be on duty. Each group gets two or three weeks there, so everyone gets a cheap holiday and the firefighters are on hand if anything happens. If you happen to be driving the French motorways at these times you will often see a convoy of appliances heading south or north depending on whether they are coming or going. Link to comment
Healdav Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I should have added to my previous post that the French had a lot of difficulties some years ago when there was a dearth of water near fires and drafted in firefighters from other areas couldn't find water sources. It is now quite normal, all over France, to see large, 5000 litre containers of water (painted green and covered in graffiti) near the roads, and up in the hills. These are full of water. Water would be taken from them and tankers would not have to wait for the water in them to be used, but would simply refill these containers and go to get another load. Equally, there are signs all over the countryside indicating sources of water, whether rivers, streams, ponds, even sometimes, swimming pools and slurry pits. Link to comment
Healdav Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 The above should read 20,000 litres Link to comment
Jan Pawlowsk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The amount of fires are very concerning. 1 Link to comment
Becile Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 To be honest the amount (number)for us is usual. We bank on going on the commons from April through september- It's the size of the incidents that's increasing, and for other counties/brigades guess it doesn't (read hasn't) featured as a priority in any pre planning or specialist vehicles and training - it will now !! Link to comment
Matt Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Call volumes are silly around here, there has been no give with it. Not sure if it was on here or another site but mobile phones cause a lot of repeat calls where years ago you may have got 1 or 2 calls to a fire in a field on the side of a motorway, the other day I think I saw one this way on generated 190 repeat calls that 4 control rooms handeled between them in the space of 10 minutes. In the last 6 weeks I know of some stations have done what they have done in all the time up till then so thats 6 months or so, only going to get busy again this weekend. Link to comment
Healdav Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 The fires in France are now so bad, especially in the Bordeaux area, and even the Jura which has never before known fires, that reinforcements are being brought in from Germany and are pouring down the motorways. Link to comment
Messyshaw Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 @Healdav. I have been keeping an eye on the SW France fires. Its an area I know fairly well as I have visited the region several times. I really like the Bordeaux to Biarritz coast and countryside. Archichon, Dune du Pilat, Biscarrosse, the Landes Parc - lovely places to visit and perhaps live. But the scale of fires in a drought is perhaps off the scale the UK could expect or understand . I wish them all well and hope they stay safe Link to comment
Healdav Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) I don't know the area at all well. I've been there,but its a bit off track for me travelling up and down to the Cote d'Azur - and we have has out fair share of major fires. One major problem they are finding is that the ground in the are is largely peat, and not only is the fire travelling underground and springing up behind the firefighters, but also, sits there when 'put out' and bursts out again an hour or two later. The local farmers are trying to dig trenches. and do back up spraying the ground with wtaer, but its an uphill struggle. I see that it has now been announced that water dropping aircraft are coming from Greece to back up those the French always have. Incidentally, flying these aircraft is an exceedingly dangerous job. The down and side drafts from the fire bring down aircraft and kill the crew almost every year. Even flame retardant aircraft are in danger. And, of course if the water drops on firefighters,Receiving a couple of tons of water on your head does not do you any good and firefighters have been killed before now. Edited August 11, 2022 by Keith Quote of post directly above removed 1 Link to comment
TandA Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Well that weekend just gone was absolutely manic in Essex, especially the Thames corridor and the south of the county. Just as a flavour of the bigger field / scrub fires we attended, we had a 16 on the edge of Chelmsford on Friday evening, then Saturday saw a 12 in Harlow, an 8 in Tilbury, a 15 (I think) on Canvey Island, another 10 in Harlow and a 10 in Linford, all of those plus specials (off road vehicles and water bowsers). There were numerous other small fires, some still caused by disposable bbqs even after all the publicity recently and all our normal bread and butter rtcs / fires to boot. We were run ragged and on the point of failure, only really kept afloat by some significant help from the LFB, Suffolk and Herts and some very hard shifts from many firefighters who went from fire to fire all day long. Several of those fires above had attendances from 3 brigades and there were a few standby pumps that found themselves a very long way from home (Nayland, Suffolk in to Great Dunmow) Sunday seemed a little quieter but still brought a 9 in East Tilbury and a 4 in Stanway. Today is feeling cooler so fingers crossed. 1 Link to comment
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