Messyshaw Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 In the Scottish F&RS, it appears that instead on make pumps 4 etc, they use levels (i.e. level one incident, level 4 incident) I assume this is similar to the US 3rd Alarm idea, but can anyone please explain the Scottish system in a little more detail please? Many thanks Link to comment
Dyson Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Are they referring to incident command levels? Level 1 commander under ICS is CW/WM - Level 2 is SM -Level 3 GM etc? If not, no idea Link to comment
Messyshaw Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 I found this on a Scottish Fire website (so have answered my own question!): Incident command is categorised from levels one to five, with five being the highest. Each category has a pre-set level of resources attending. For example, a level two incident will result in five pumping appliances attending. Each level response from Level 2 onwards, increases the attendance by an additional three pumping appliances, along with specialist resources as required. Seems a curiously complicated method of 'making up'!! I was just trying to understand an incident report I have received Thanks Dyson 1 Link to comment
Bgjm21 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Yep it works in levels up here, As far as I understand everything up to four pumps is still make pumps (1-4) I think you can request individual additional appliances within that system aswell though. I suppose it's quite similar to the American Alarm system? 1 Link to comment
Steve Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Yes, It sounds very similar to the American 'Alarm' system. A decade or so ago West Yorkshire were using the 'Alarm' system, I remeber reading about a few '2nd' or '3rd' alarm jobs. From what I could gather from their system at the time a 3rd alarm was an 8pf. Looking on their website they are now back to regular make ups... but are suing the irritiating 'make pumps 6' instead of 6 pump fire... don't get me started. 1 Link to comment
Bgjm21 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 So out of curiosity does anyone see any merits or reasoning as to why a brigade would use a system like this as opposed to conventional "make ups"? Link to comment
Messyshaw Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 2 hours ago, BM96 said: So out of curiosity does anyone see any merits or reasoning as to why a brigade would use a system like this as opposed to conventional "make ups"? Thats a good question. It does seem like change for changes sake. Link to comment
Carefree Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Because they can. No rhyme or reason, they just can 1 Link to comment
Bgjm21 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I don't think all of scotland used it before the merger in 2013, it was something the former strathclyde fire & rescue came up with and the scottish service expanded it nationwide. Must be some kind of logic!! Link to comment
Carefree Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 You'd like to think that there was logic behind it wouldn't you, why else would they introduce it?? Link to comment
Deek Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Whilst at an incident you can send an assistance message and either ask for 'Make pumps ' or declare it a 'level ... whatever number incident' e.g 'FY, assistance message this is a level 1d incident' or 'FY, assistance message make pumps 4' both are an acceptable form of assistance message. Level 1a - One pump Level 1b - 2 pumps Level 1c - 3 pumps Level 1d - 4 pumps Level 2 - 6 pumps Level 3 - 9 pumps Level 4 - 12 pumps Level 5 - 15 pumps + It was used by a few legacy Scottish Services, although not sure if they all used it. Certainly Fife, L+B and Strathclyde did. Link to comment
Bgjm21 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I assume you can keep making up after a level 5 if need be? Out of curiosity would it be a level 6 or an individual number of pumps you'd have to request? Link to comment
Deek Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 As far as I'm aware there's not a level 6 so it would just be continually made up with the normal make up, individual numbers e.g make pumps 20 1 Link to comment
Geeooo Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You can continue to go up 'Levels' indefinitely, with each level you get an additional 3 appliances and an Officer essentially. 1 Link to comment
Bgjm21 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Intresting. Cheers for the insight guys! Link to comment
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