Closing Door after Initial Entry

[Geeta77]

Is anyone's Service now teaching closing doors behind crews after entry to limit air tracks and to control flow paths to a fire before water is being put on it? Either with the use of smoke curtains or just simply closing doors as much as possible. 

[TrainHardFightEasy]

Not currently in mine but it makes sense. Are you using tac vent phase 3? 

[Dyson]

No he isn’t. 

Yup. Door control and flow path management should be something we are all practicing at every structural fire. 

Lets talk about it here .... 

[Carl]

We have been closing doors behind us for years in GMFRS. I can't remember how long, but it's a good while now.

[JonesMrJones]

It was drummed into us in training and still is now. 

[Jet]

Anti-ventilation is the new ventilation. Lots of new tactics coming out of a national study led by (I believe) West Sussex and Kent. Well some of it is new, some of it is going back to old ways that are proved to actually have worked in the first place. 

[BurtMacklin]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but how can you close a door with a 45 dragged through it? 

[Jet]

Close the door as much as you can. Or use one of these, which are already on the run around the country;

Smoke Curtain

[Jet]

They sure do. Their cost v effectiveness means they will probably be on every pump in the country in a few years time. 

[JonFromTheLFB]

Not in LFB though, we still can't be trusted with PPV fans! 

Edited February 13, 2019 by Keith
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[Jet]

I transferred up from LFB and although I was aware of fans I didn’t know too much about them. That is to say now I cannot believe London don’t have them 🤔

[Geeta77]

21 hours ago, TrainHardFightEasy said:

Not currently in mine but it makes sense. Are you using tac vent phase 3? 

Yeah we are using Phase 3. It is something we are starting to think about teaching, but my opinion is something we have probably been doing for years and years at structural fires without ever giving it a name. 

21 hours ago, Dyson said:

No he isn’t. 

Yup. Door control and flow path management should be something we are all practicing at every structural fire. 

Lets talk about it here .... 

Not sure why you think we're not using phase 3, been using it here for years. But I agree on door control and flow path management. We have been drip feeding it to crews gradually last year or so. Problem was always training venues to give good demos, but Authority just agreed to spend 11m on new training centre so that should see to that! 

[TrainHardFightEasy]

LFB don’t use PPV 😯

[Dyson]

Door control in the context originally mentioned is anti ventilation, the polar opposite of PPV phase 3.  That’s why I said that. 

[Geeta77]

Fair enough. Surely having the training and option to do both as no situation is ever really the same makes sense though. Don't have to just be one or the other?

GMFRS for example as Carl said have been doing this for years but are also phase 3 ppv trained

Edited February 14, 2019 by Carl
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[Rory-495]

Just out of curiosity,  does anyone know why LFB don't use PPV? Asked on my recruits course but never really got an answer 

[Dyson]

Of course you don’t have to do one or the other ? 😂 just not at the same time buddy !!